It was my first ideathon. I invested countless hours doing ….
I watched the video where chris spoke about on time and hoped that i’d be able to do it. Been so busy with eden fractal, creator talks, tending to garden, town halls, etc… didn’t have time to do it earlier
stayed up late so excited about ideathons, as proposed in more ideathon idea
I learn about the importance of rules, consensus, mistakes etc
It so happened that the first large discrepancy with on-chain data for eden fractal meeting happened in the same week. Wrote
It needs thoughtful consideration and reflection, and respect
Amazing musicians like ___ and Jacob Collier sometimes say that there are no wrong notes. When playing together, you can turn a mistake into a beautiful helpful story…
And intent of code is law or intent
Screenshot Chris’ posts and my posts.
The importance of stories
Importance of Rules
Chris Barnes made some great points about the importance of rules in the following EOS Fireside Chat (55:57):
Hey jackbytes,
Thank you for sharing your perspective. I also remember you speaking about a very interesting ideathon submission in last week’s Fireside Chat, so thank you for that as well! Looking forward to learning more!
listen again
Here are some responses to your questions and statements:
>What makes you thing that you could have this exception? There were 179 submissions, on time, at the dead line requested! Let's always play by the rules!
As stated above, I accept that there will not be an exception. Previously I thought that it would have been best for everyone to accept these idea submissions, but I appreciate the value in sticking to the rules as planned and respect the decision of the event organizers.
As for your statement to always play by the rules, I don’t agree. I agree that some rules are certainly better for all and should always be followed without question. I greatly appreciate the value of rules, especially after this experience and hearing thoughtful responses from Chris, yourself, and others. I’ve gained more understanding about the value of rules from this experience and am now writing an article exploring the importance of rules in subjective consensus games.
However, sometimes games are better when we change the rules. Rules can sometimes be too constraining and diminish the quality of experience for people interacting with the rules. There are many situations in which the benefit of rules is not clear and should be questioned. For example, I made a reference above to ‘intent of code is law’ with EOS and ‘code is law’ with Bitcoin. If you leave the keys to your BTC on your desk and someone else takes it, then according to the rules of the Bitcoin protocol the Bitcoin is now theirs. Not your keys, not your bitcoin, as they say. While this system certainly has value and I’m grateful that we have this option, I generally prefer systems like EOS and Eden where communities can play it by ear and use subjective consensus processes to determine the best rules as needed.
Of course, Bitcoin and EOS is only one example. You could also consider this in other contexts, such as entrepreneurship, music, or art. If people always played by the ‘rules’ in these fields, there would be less innovation, cooperation, and beauty for all. With the exponential increase in regulations constraining the veins of society as Elon Musk states (and Dan Larimer tweet about this)… it increasingly becomes impossible to do anything without breaking rules in some jurisdiction. It’s important that we have people who are respectfully exploring the boundaries of the rules and asking if rules are necessary or holding us back
Plus it can provide opportunity for the commmuntky to better learn to play together and better understand rules etc
Storytelling about
Creating a path and education for future participants to learn and enjoy the stories
So, after working many hours to make these ideas as helpful as possible, I felt it was a good idea to ask the questions above to help make the best experiences possible.
Maybe just respond to Jackbytes with link to article and not long paragraphs in discord, but maybe good to inclkude
Not asking for exception or favortism… as stated if it were my decisions …
Impression with Eden is your perception , I love if
Personally I would have preffered to see great ideas liek CETF, idea from Luka, my ideas, and more…
I think this would have made for a better show if the team had used a legitimate decentralized governnace process to determine whthr rules
What makes you thing that you could have this exception? There were 179 submissions, on time, at the dead line requested! Let's always play by the rules! I also would like to ask you to stop asking for favoritism to the organizers. The fact that you are submitting ideas with the title of Eden suggests that they were the ideas of a whole bunch of people using your "presence in EOS." I would rethink this positioning of yours. Even posting your ideas here is this channel after the fact, is not acceptable.
The fact that you are submitting ideas with the title of Eden suggests that they were the ideas of a whole bunch of people using your "presence in EOS." I would rethink this positioning of yours.
I’m not sure what you mean by this…?
>Even posting your ideas here is this channel after the fact, is not acceptable.
Why do you think it is not acceptable?
I think the purpose of the ideathon is essentially to help foster great ideas and experiences in the community. Sharing ideas in the ideathon channel is a good way to help foster great ideas and experiences.
Importance of Storytelling
Helpful to play at boundaries of rules and make great stories
Lead by example with respect and feeling out the rules of the game
Make great stories from it, and learn good lessons together, and create great content and videos together
Educate about the importance of rules and the importance of consensus
to help people cooperate
with nvc , fun, etc
