History
This article aims to provide an overview of Perry’s concerns and responses from other community members. Below you can see discussions from five recent Eden Fractal meetings and several messages sent in the telegram group throughout early 2023.
Videos
EF 33
2:18:15 - Patrick states he will vote no, explains why, prefers a DAO, must be on-chain.
2:25:03 - Perry responds to Patrick, believes there should be media asset control. Feels it would be perfect for Eden Fractal.
2:27:24 - Patrick asked Perry if he ever used Jesse Jaffe’s Bees swarm.
2:27:29 - Patrick responds that Eden Fractal has used swarms for the brainstorming sessions. Has problem with someone disrespecting other Eden Fractal members.
2:29:05 - Perry responds to Patrick.
2:30:45 - Patrick and Perry go back and forth in disagreement.
EF 35
2:19:48 Patrick and Perry go back and forth discussing proposal vote, brainstorming sessions.
2:53:56 Dan, Perry and Vlad discuss outside Eden fractal meetings. Patrick chimes in as well, describes the goal of brainstorming session.
EF 36
2:12:09 Perry asks if we’re deciding to consider, where are we going to talk about it, and what is significance of discussion. If it talked about in brainstorming session does that make the decision. Questions brainstorming discussions
2:28:39 Perry responds to dans proposal to start using telegram, thinks it’s a great idea. Comments on brainstorming sessions, not against concept but thinks same rigor should be applied to those meetings. Clarifies his opinion
2:30:52 Dan responds to Perry, opportunity to host more meetings, increases Eden Fractal awareness. Dan clarifies his thoughts on brainstorming session. Delegates vote the way they want.
2:33:46 Patrick and Perry have discussion on brain storming session.
2:39:22 Douglas is very interested in what’s going on now. Suggest think about better way to communicate thoughts.
2:44:32 Marco regardless of the nature, brainstorming is needed. No decision making, just exploring ideas.
2:46:02 Dan suggests starting to wrap up, often times some stay on after recording. Appreciates everyone bringing so much value. Asks If anyone has final words.
2:47:46 Perry feels this is a huge topic, goes on and on about his thoughts on brainstorming sessions
2:49:46 Douglas feels there’s always going to be a level of centralization, up to us to decide the level.
2:55:12 Dan mentions upcoming events, thanks everyone for attending, starts end of meeting
EF 37
2:12:03 Perry commented he recognized in his mind on Pascal believes in articulating Eden fractals mission. Comments whether we are following more equal animals. Important to find values and principles, then mission statement. Thinks that is the order we need to go.
2:14:11 Dan cautions against focusing on any one individual , also encourages reading more equal animals, but that’s not the only source of wisdom. Patrick values Collaboration a lot as do I, thinking about mission, putting into practice guidelines from more equal animals.
2:15:40 Patrick answers to Perry, he is not here to have any influence on anyone. Explains his love for Eden fractal. Looking for best experience possible, that’s what links us together. Encourages level one delegates to give to msig, let’s move on with mission.
2:21:13 Dan jumps in between Perry and patrick, giving time for Jorge to speak
2:21:31 Jorge comments on the pure heart of Patrick, comments on brain of Perry. Let’s get the most value from both sides, let’s keep our community strong
2:22:06 Dan thanks Jorge, very well said. Tells Perry he appreciates thoughtful questions, but he has noticed a bit of a theme of calling out Patrick for past few weeks. We don’t want to make people feel uncomfortable, feeling the tension between two community leaders. Wants everyone to use the best of their abilities. Challenge could discourage people when misaligned.
2:24:33 Perry responds that Patrick started it by stating he didn’t trust Perry. Gives his take on what’s happening
2:25:35 Tadas explains to Perry , Patrick’s donation is not directing where or what his funds are being used
2:26:20 Perry asks why is Patrick getting links, on your software
2:26:23 Patrick didn’t like when Perry presented dnews eden fractal proposal. Perry commented against Jesse jaffe, against bywire. That bothered Patrick. Issues between Patrick and Perry. Patrick gives eos because he collaborates with those he gives to. Has the right to collaborate with who he wants. Tells Perry let’s just work together, Patrick is grateful and lucky to be on Eden fractal.
2:32:25 Dan thanks Patrick, adds on to make it clear to Perry that he’s alone in his belief. All tools made are owned by individuals. Suggests Perry read the messages that were sent to Perry by Vlad and Tadas about distinction on how these tools work. Dan thinks Perry is in the wrong, loves the value Perry brings to the community but it’s time to shift direction. Doesn’t think anyone is in agreement with Perry.
2:35:08 Perry thinks there are nuances that need to be debated, goes to core of why we are here. Doesn’t think even Dan can represent the whole group
2:36:58 Dan thinks his previous recommendation is best, this is not the best forum. Mission is in progress, takes time to come to consensus
2:37:51 Jorge shares his personal thoughts on the purest form of energy, wants to encourage entire community to focus on the thing we wish, or the things we want. Please guys focus energy on where we want to go
2:41:08 Dan thanks Jorge
2:41:16 Tadas says imagine what we can achieve as a group. Eden fractal principles need to be clear.comments when Perry criticizes too much , he’s going to conclusions to fast, thinking it’s corrupt.
2:42:52 Perry responds to Jorge and Vlad , responds by giving a little child hood history. Learned about power to keep positive. But at same time balances that with how to change things. Need to bring awareness. Comments that Patrick cannot decide how funding is used.
2:47:15 Dan: we’ve been going over 3 hours, need to wrap it up soon. One thing Dan wants to make clear that Perry has a fundamental misunderstanding, Patrick has donated approximately 4000 to eden fractal account, Dan also donated 500 EOS. That is to the Eden fractal community, that has been determined each week by who gets results in fractal process. Patrick has made individual donations to Vlad and Tadas that are not to Eden fractal. Anyone can make individual donations without Eden fractal consent.. explains process, this is what Perry is not seeing this. Last point , offers to host a conversation with Perry to figure out differences. Encourages everyone to join to clear this up. Encourages Perry to make a proposal for this topic. Perry if you want follow up telegram chat.
2:52:40 Perry comments on money coming in, using tools that beeping created, while we are supposedly in decentralized governance. All happening without our approval
2:54:45 Patrick comments Perry is evil, tired of repetitive narrative. Explains his feelings of what Perry is doing. Suggest if Perry has something to say to Patrick, seek him privately. Don’t corrupt Eden fractal , accuses Perry of doing this to multiple communities. Patrick accuses Perry of not understanding Eden fractal. Read first before you judge. We are here to collaborate. Come here with good spirit
3:03:21 Dan comments we’re at top of the hour. Adds there is a misunderstanding, miscommunication. Thinks both Patrick and Perry want the best for the community . Need to communicate better. Encourage everyone to listen to Video. Encourages everyone to make proposal for future meetings.
3:06:24 Noam agrees with what Jorge said, some things he didn’t like about last hour but he’d rather focus on positive and not negative
3:06:58 Patrick comments he’s happy to be here, all discussion is good.
3:07:23 Dan says we’re working a d growing smarter every day, thanks Noam fir attending.
3:07:57 Perry just wants to ask Noam if he was entertained.
3:09:04 Noam responded since asked the discussion between Perry and Patrick Would have been better if taken off line. If you say it too many times, it stops being entertaining.
3:10:42 Dan thanks everyone. We should give each other the benefit of the doubt.
EF 38
1:59:52 Perry appreciates the desire to begin creating a set of bylaws. Supports that effort but thinks the principles, values and vision sound be decided first. uestions Patrick on moving participation agreement discussion to brainstorming, he is opposed to that
2:02:49 Tadas wanted to respond to both Perry and Patrick, he looks at participation agreement differently, he doesn’t think that it should define what we are doing. It should strictly be a document that participants sign before participating to protect themselves and other participants from legal perspective. This is What this particular agreement should serve. To Patrick I would say, that we are voting for these two clauses that may be changed later as needed.
2:04:31 Patrick responds to Tadas that he is aligned with Lennie and Vlad, thinks it should be brainstormed.
2:06:16 Dan clarifies the agreement doesn’t say all participants will be recorded , but it gives more protection to someone like himself who shares the videos, it protects them from liabilities
2:07:32 Joe comments after reading verbiage it didn’t say everyone was going to be posted. Transparency is important, thinks the waive to get rid of the liability is a smart move
2:08:45 Dan comments that as he is the one sharing these videos, if someone has a problem with parts of videos to reach out. Wants to give everyone best experience possible but in general Dan thinks sharing the videos help the community grow more
2:09:23 Patrick shares his proposal, if you create something public good, incentivize mechanisms, rewards. Eden fractal is the catalyst to smart collaboration, using web 3 solutions. That is my mission and vision. Need to find the objectives and grow, good intent good output. Need better delegates.
2:17:42 Rosmari asks Patrick how he envisions collaboration, an idea is using it in notion. It’s good for referencing back. She may consider to majestic a proposal for using notion.
2:19:46 Patrick responds he does a lot of collaboration behind the scene, next Eden fractal interview upcoming, uses mindmap, brainstorming session, need to create collaborative culture
2:25:51 Dan let’s try to wrap it up in 10 min
2:26:54 Perry and Patrick conversation, Perry asks what is the relationship between this proposal and the APIs that he’s suggesting and the proposal that by wire has suggested, any relationship between the two, Patrick responds no relation. It’s using web 3 solution open source. He’s integrating some piece of this into his software. Perry talks about comparison to Patrick’s and bywire proposal.
2:29:45 Dan steps in to clarify Patrick’s proposal, proposal is smart collaboration between verified humans and web 3 solution, no mention of API.
2:30:36 Perry thinks if anyone is paying attention is that bywire is being set up to be driving force, feels honesty is needed, Patrick responds to Perry the proposal he made. Yes he is using API, he has not stated bywire only stated what he is doing for himself.
2:32:59 Dan briefly comments to Perry he will discuss this further on separate call, Dan does not agree with Perry. Moves on to next topic, briefly shows mission screen. Dan proposal our mission is to promote collaboration, create public goods and empower communities. This was inspired by the show he and Vlad did, check out show notes. Goal is to Expand our community beyond eden community. Gives resources and events coming up
EF 39
2:12:41 Perry makes a final note about discussion on our mission,
2:13:18 Dan briefly shares his proposal , our mission is to help people collaborate , create public goods and empower communities. Dans perspective delegates are expressing decisions, helpful to have mission statement, all having an alignments around a common goal. Gives some details on his thoughts. Community coming together and cool with sharing.
2:17:10 Patrick happy about building and collaborating, talks about brainstorming session on mission. Create your mission, then create your vision. Mission of Dan , collaboration, public goods ,we are help to help others. We are creating collaborative culture.
2:23:50 Dan agrees it takes time to come to consensus, excited about path that we’re on
2:24:38 Perry wants to illustrate his point, gives scenario on mission, and comments on mission and funding. Doesn’t lend itself to decentralized group
2:26:06 Dan responds to Perry about conversation they previously had, wants to focus on the mission, not one person is forcing a mission. Shares Article on mutually benefitting from misaligned goals from fractally white paper. Explains we don’t have a CEO, Dan cedes time to Patrick to respond to Perry.Patrick responds to Perry about his funding, encourages everyone to give funding to Eden fractal. Here for collaboration
2:33:21 Dan states as moderator this topic is closed, focus back on mission. Recommend people check out white paper. Excellent article by James Mart. There’s always an emerging mission. Personal missions in addition to community missions. Dan has been curating proposals for missions, anyone interested in helping that would be appreciated. Encourages everyone to check out Tadas article about potential conflict of missions. Adds updates on all upcoming events , Dan gives Noam information on alien world meeting. Encourages everyone to vote on topics. Dan explains how voting system is currently working. Go Eden fractal! Thanks everyone for coming and all the great work!
Telegram Messages
The following screenshots show some of Perry’s concerns and responses from several other community members.
https://t.me/edenfractal/1/970
