Exodus 18

13 The next day Moses took his seat to serve as judge for the people, and they stood around him from morning till evening.14 When his father-in-law saw all that Moses was doing for the people, he said, “What is this you are doing for the people? Why do you alone sit as judge, while all these people stand around you from morning till evening?”

15 Moses answered him, “Because the people come to me to seek God’s will. 16 Whenever they have a dispute, it is brought to me, and I decide between the parties and inform them of God’s decrees and instructions.”

17 Moses’ father-in-law replied, “What you are doing is not good.18 You and these people who come to you will only wear yourselves out. The work is too heavy for you; you cannot handle it alone. 19 Listen now to me and I will give you some advice, and may God be with you. You must be the people’s representative before God and bring their disputes to him. 20 Teach them his decrees and instructions, and show them the way they are to live and how they are to behave. 21 But select capable men from all the people—men who fear God, trustworthy men who hate dishonest gain—and appoint them as officials over thousands, hundreds, fifties and tens. 22 Have them serve as judges for the people at all times, but have them bring every difficult case to you; the simple cases they can decide themselves. That will make your load lighter, because they will share it with you. 23 If you do this and God so commands, you will be able to stand the strain, and all these people will go home satisfied.”

24 Moses listened to his father-in-law and did everything he said. 25 He chose capable men from all Israel and made them leaders of the people, officials over thousands, hundreds, fifties and tens. 26 They served as judges for the people at all times. The difficult cases they brought to Moses, but the simple ones they decided themselves.

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What parts of the Bible are about something similar to fractal democracy? I think there's one point where Moses is instructed to group the elder's into groups of 10 to make decisions. Is this correct? Provide details. are there any other parts of the Bible about this?

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You're correct that there is a passage in the Bible that describes a system of governance similar to aspects of fractal democracy. This is found in the book of Exodus, specifically Exodus 18:13-26. Here's a breakdown:

1. Jethro's Advice to Moses (Exodus 18:13-23): Moses' father-in-law, Jethro, observes Moses judging the people's disputes from morning till evening. He suggests a system of delegated authority to ease Moses' burden.
2. The Tiered System (Exodus 18:21-22): "But select capable men from all the people—men who fear God, trustworthy men who hate dishonest gain—and appoint them as officials over thousands, hundreds, fifties and tens. Have them serve as judges for the people at all times, but have them bring every difficult case to you; the simple cases they can decide themselves."
3. Implementation (Exodus 18:24-26): Moses follows this advice, choosing capable men and making them leaders over groups of thousands, hundreds, fifties, and tens.

This system bears similarities to fractal democracy in its tiered structure and delegation of decision-making. However, it's not exactly the same as it doesn't involve the bottom-up election process characteristic of fractal democracy.

Other relevant biblical passages include:

1. Deuteronomy 1:9-18: Moses recounts the establishment of this system, emphasizing the importance of fair judgment.
2. Numbers 11:16-17: God instructs Moses to gather 70 elders to share the burden of leadership, which could be seen as another layer in the governance structure.
3. Acts 6:1-7: The early Christian church appoints seven men to oversee the daily distribution of food, showing a delegation of responsibilities.

While these examples show elements of distributed governance and leadership, they don't fully embody the concept of fractal democracy as we understand it today. The Bible's governance structures were typically more hierarchical and didn't involve the same kind of bottom-up consensus building that characterizes modern fractal democracy concepts.

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Are there any other examples of other Biblical scriptures related to fractal democracy?

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While the Bible doesn't directly describe a system that fully aligns with modern fractal democracy, there are a few other passages that demonstrate elements of distributed leadership or decision-making that could be seen as loosely related:

1. Numbers 11:16-25 God instructs Moses to gather 70 elders to share the burden of leadership. This shows a form of distributed governance, though not as structured as the Exodus example.
2. Deuteronomy 16:18-20 Instructs the appointment of judges and officials for each tribe in all the towns. This suggests a localized form of governance.
3. Acts 15:1-35 The Council at Jerusalem shows a form of collaborative decision-making among church leaders to resolve disputes.
4. 1 Corinthians 12:12-31 Paul's description of the church as a body with many parts could be seen as advocating for diverse participation in community functions.
5. Titus 1:5 Paul instructs Titus to appoint elders in every town, suggesting a distributed leadership model for the early church.
6. 1 Peter 5:1-4 Peter addresses the elders, indicating a leadership structure within early Christian communities.

These examples show elements of distributed leadership and collaborative decision-making, but it's important to note that they don't fully embody the bottom-up, consensus-building nature of fractal democracy. The governance structures in Biblical times were generally more hierarchical. However, these passages do demonstrate early attempts at creating systems of shared responsibility and decision-making within communities.

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Are there any examples where the Bible involves some sort of bottom-up consensus building that characterizes modern fractal democracy concepts?

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While the Bible doesn't present a system directly analogous to modern fractal democracy, there are a few instances that show elements of bottom-up decision-making or consensus building:

1. Acts 6:1-7 When a dispute arose in the early church about the distribution of food, the apostles gathered all the disciples and said, "Choose seven men from among you who are known to be full of the Spirit and wisdom. We will turn this responsibility over to them." This shows a form of community-driven selection process.
2. Acts 1:15-26 The selection of Matthias to replace Judas as an apostle involved the whole group of believers (about 120 people). They proposed two candidates and then cast lots to make the final decision. While not exactly consensus-building, it does involve the wider community in the process.
3. Acts 15:22 During the Council at Jerusalem, it says, "Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas." This suggests a decision-making process that involved the entire church community.
4. 1 Corinthians 5:4-5 Paul suggests a form of community decision-making in church discipline: "When you are assembled in the name of our Lord Jesus and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, hand this man over to Satan..."

These examples show some degree of communal participation in decision-making. However, it's important to note that these are still quite different from the structured, multi-layered consensus building process characteristic of modern fractal democracy. Biblical governance structures were generally more hierarchical, with leadership often appointed or anointed rather than elected through a bottom-up process.

The concept of fractal democracy as we understand it today, with its focus on scalable, decentralized decision-making, is a modern development that goes beyond what we see in Biblical texts. However, these passages do show early attempts at incorporating broader participation in community decisions.

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What examples of Subsidiarity can be found in the Bible? Are these related to fractal democracy?

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Subsidiarity, the principle that social and political issues should be dealt with at the most immediate or local level consistent with their resolution, does have some parallels in Biblical teachings. While not directly equivalent to fractal democracy, these examples share some common themes of decentralized decision-making and local governance. Here are some examples from the Bible that reflect aspects of subsidiarity:

1. Exodus 18:13-26 (previously mentioned) Jethro's advice to Moses to appoint judges over thousands, hundreds, fifties, and tens is a clear example of subsidiarity. It delegates decision-making to the lowest capable level, with only the most difficult cases reaching Moses.
2. Deuteronomy 1:9-18 Moses recounts implementing this system, emphasizing local judges handling disputes within their own tribes.
3. Deuteronomy 16:18-20 "Appoint judges and officials for each of your tribes in every town the Lord your God is giving you, and they shall judge the people fairly." This instruction promotes local governance and justice.
4. Numbers 36:1-12 The case of Zelophehad's daughters shows local tribal leaders making decisions about inheritance within their tribe, with only the most significant issues brought to Moses.
5. Acts 6:1-7 The apostles delegate the task of food distribution to seven chosen men from the community, addressing a local issue at a local level.
6. 1 Corinthians 6:1-6 Paul encourages the Corinthian church to settle disputes among themselves rather than going to outside courts, promoting local problem-solving.
7. Titus 1:5 Paul instructs Titus to "appoint elders in every town," suggesting a localized church leadership structure.

These examples reflect the principle of subsidiarity by emphasizing decision-making and problem-solving at the most immediate or local level possible. This aligns with aspects of fractal democracy in several ways:

1. Decentralized decision-making: Both concepts promote handling issues at the lowest competent level.
2. Scalability: The tiered structure in Exodus 18 resembles the scalable nature of fractal democracy.
3. Community involvement: Both encourage participation of community members in governance.
4. Efficiency: By dealing with issues locally when possible, both systems aim to improve efficiency in decision-making.

However, it's important to note that these Biblical examples don't fully embody fractal democracy. They lack the bottom-up election process and the specific consensus-building mechanisms characteristic of modern fractal democracy concepts. The Biblical governance structures were generally more hierarchical, with leaders often appointed or anointed rather than elected through a grassroots process.

Nonetheless, these examples of subsidiarity in the Bible do share some philosophical underpinnings with fractal democracy, particularly in their emphasis on decentralized and localized governance.